扒车喵South Korean president suggests ban on eating dog meat: Moon Jae-in, a dog-lover, says ‘time has come’ for traditional practice to end
韩国总统建议禁止吃狗肉:爱狗人士文在寅(Moon Jae-in)表示，传统习俗“是时候”结束了
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BusyPizza
Even with the ban, I just don’t see the police forcibly shutting down all dog meat restaurants in the country. That sort of thing just doesn’t happen in Korea. Also, restaurants would just import dog meat from China and Southeast Asia (which is going to be even more sketchy than locally produced products).
即使有了禁令，我也没看到警察强制关闭全国所有的狗肉餐馆。这种事情在韩国是不会发生的。此外，餐馆将只从中国和东南亚进口狗肉(这将比本地生产的狗肉品质更差)。
UranusisGolden
Porn is illegal but prostitution is easy to find in Korea. I think that s what he means. Enforcing it is different from legislation.
虽然色情是非法的，但卖淫在韩国很容易找到。我想这就是他的意思。强制执行与立法不同。
TimeSimple9533
The main consumers are over 70 years old, it is a culture that will disappear naturally over time
主要消费者是70岁以上的老人，这种文化会随着时间的推移而自然消失
Imnotyourman
No they really are not popular anymore, at least not in Seoul. They’re not even close to being popular, and it’s not just young people under 30. Here’s an article from last year that talks about how many of them have closed down or switched menus.
반려동물을 키우는 인구가 급증하면서 복날 대표적 음식 중 하나였던 보신탕이 역사의 뒤안길로 사라지고 있다. 개고기 식용을 꺼리는 사회적 분위기가 조성되면서 ‘사철탕집’ 간판을 달고 보신탕을 팔던 가게들이 하나둘 문을 닫거나 염소·오리 등으로 아예 메뉴를 바꾸는 곳도 늘고 있다. 초복을 맞아 동물보호단체들은 국내 3대 개시장 중 유일하게 남은 대구 칠성 개시장 폐쇄 요구와 함께 개고기 식용문화를 없애야 한다고 목소리를 높이고 있다.
초복을 하루 앞둔 15일 휴대폰 지도 애플리케이션에서 검색된 동묘시장 인근 보신탕 가게 4곳을 직접 방문했지만 실제 보신탕을 팔고 있는 곳은 1곳에 불과했다. 유일하게 보신탕집을 운영하는 가게도 보신탕은 삼계탕 관련 메뉴들로 가득한 메뉴판 구석에 조그맣게 자리하고 있을 뿐이었다. 가게 사장인 이모씨는 “오늘 총 50그릇이 팔렸는데 그중 보신탕은 4그릇 뿐이었다”며 “원래 가게 주변 골목에만 보신탕 파는 집이 6곳이 넘었는데 지금은 다 망하고 우리만 남아있다”고 말했다.
不，它们真的不再受欢迎了，至少在首尔不受欢迎。他们根本不受欢迎，而且不只是30岁以下的年轻人。这里有一篇去年的文章，讨论了有多少家餐厅已经关闭或更换了菜单。
随着饲养宠物的人口剧增，伏天代表性食物之一的狗肉汤正在退出历史舞台。随着忌讳食用狗肉的社会氛围的形成，挂着“四季汤店”招牌卖狗肉汤的店铺纷纷关门或干脆换成山羊、鸭子等。迎来初伏，动物保护团体要求关闭国内三大开放市场中唯一剩下的大邱七星开放市场，同时呼吁应该消除食用狗肉的文化。
在距初伏还有一天的15日，记者亲自访问了在手机地图应用软件上搜索到的东庙市场附近的4家狗肉汤店，但实际销售狗肉汤的只有一家。唯一经营狗肉汤店的店铺，狗肉汤也只是位于充满参鸡汤相关菜单的菜单角落里。店铺总经理李某说:“今天共卖了50碗狗肉汤，其中只有4碗狗肉汤。原来在店铺周围的胡同里卖狗肉汤的房子超过6家，但现在都倒闭了，只剩下我们了。”
Jakobdorof
I was trying to refute this:
Dog meat isn’t that prevalent. There is little possibility that you’d encounter a restaurant that serves dog meat unless you visit a countryside.
That implies it’s rare which is wildly misleading. There are probably more dog meat restaurants per capita in Korea than almost any other country on earth, so by global standards it is very popular in Korea. To put it another way, there are certainly more dog meat restaurants than Mc Donald’s Restaurants here.
I don’t dispute it’s a dying business mostly catering to grandparents.
My issue is fake or misleading narratives. Mamy ounger Koreans, seem so embarrassed by it, they have misleading debates.
我试图反驳这个观点:
狗肉并不是那么普遍。除非你去农村，否则你几乎不可能遇到供应狗肉的餐馆。
这意味着它很罕见，这是非常误导人的。韩国的人均狗肉餐厅可能比世界上几乎任何其他国家都多，所以从全球标准来看，狗肉在韩国非常受欢迎。换句话说，这里的狗肉餐厅肯定比麦当劳餐厅还多。
我不否认这是一个垂死的行业，主要是为祖父母服务。
我的问题是虚假或误导性的叙述。年轻的韩国人似乎对此感到很尴尬，他们进行了误导性的辩论。
tommy-b-goode
Yeah it also says there’s a specific type of dog raised for meat.. Sure people aren’t eating their own pets they may be wrong that there are “dogs raised for this purpose”. This is what I had assumed when I moved to Korea. I’ve seen dog farms and trucks carrying dogs. There’s all kinds of random breeds in there. I don’t know how prevalent the random breeds farms are, but enough that I’ve seen them.
Also he says you need to leave the city to find dog meat. I live in 안양시 and there’s a market next to my house with 4 or 5 dog meat stalls and I walk past it every day, it’s kept in full view in freezers or just sitting on a bowl of ice.
是的，上面还说有一种专门用来吃肉的狗…当然，人们不会吃自己的宠物，他们可能是错的，“养狗就是为了这个目的”。这是我搬到韩国时的想法。我见过养犬场和运狗的卡车。里面有各种各样的随机品种。我不知道随机饲养的农场有多普遍，但我见过的就够多了。
他还说你需要离开城市去找狗肉。我住在안양시,我家隔壁有一个市场就有四到五个狗肉摊位
Phocion-
I personally know a Korean man who doesn’t want a pet dog for his family because when he was a kid his mother cooked their pet dog for his sick grandfather and it upset him.
In the past, when meat was scarcer than today, the nutrients in the dog meat could be very healthful for poorer Koreans with poor diets. Nowadays it is easy to just grab a hamburger, but it wasn’t always so.
我认识一个韩国人，他不想给家里养宠物狗，因为在他小时候，他妈妈为他生病的爷爷煮了他们家的宠物狗，这让他很难过。
在过去，当肉比现在少的时候，狗肉中的营养成分可能对饮食不佳的贫穷的韩国人非常有益。如今，抓起一个汉堡是很容易的，但过去并非如此。
jakobdorof
the history is something i’d like to look into more sometime. i’ve had (younger, dog-loving) koreans tell me that consumption originated during the difficult post-war famine years in the ’50s, as a kind of sad necessity. of course, that’s not true – it has a history going back millennia on the peninsula – but i’d like to learn more about where it was at right before occupation years, right before the north-south divide, etc., to get a sense for how those difficult circumstances did or didn’t affect dog meat’s place in korean society.
我想以后多研究一下这段历史。有些韩国人(年轻的，爱狗的)告诉我，狗肉的消费起源于50年代战后艰难的饥荒年代，是一种可悲的必然。当然,这不是真的,狗肉在半岛有上千年历史,但我想了解更多关于它在南北分裂之前的历史
ProVagrant
Thinking objectively, I find these bans entirely irrational. I don’t understand how eating a dog is inhumane, but a chicken, cow, or octopus is perfectly ok.
If they are raised for consumption, slaughtered just like other food, and safe to eat if properly prepared, then what is the issue?
客观地考虑，我认为这些禁令完全不合理。我不明白为什么吃狗是不人道的，但吃鸡、牛或章鱼就完全可以了。
如果它们是为了食用而饲养，就像其他食物一样被屠宰，并且经过适当的处理可以安全食用，那么问题何在?
MOSSCHARGER305
That’s the thing, they’re not slaughtered like any other food. They are beaten while alive as it is believed to tenderize the meat and bring out the flavor.
这就是问题所在，它们不像其他食物一样被屠宰。他们在活着的时候被打，因为这被认为可以使肉变嫩，带出味道。
MultiplicativeCarrot
Then doesn’t it make more sense to legally require the humane slaughter of livestock than banning of specific kinds of meats?
那么，在法律上要求人道地宰杀牲畜，难道不是比禁止特定肉类更有意义吗?
MOSSCHARGER305
Yes it does, but let’s not pretend Korea is good about enforcing any kind of regulations.
是的，确实如此，但我们不要假装韩国擅长执行任何规定。
Phocion-
The way to make the slaughter more humane is to legalize and regulate it, but the animal rights activists aren’t interested in that.
使屠杀更加人道的方法是将其合法化并加以规范，但动物权利活动家对此并不感兴趣。
Marijuana_Guy
But it’s okay to slaughter and eat other animals because the president doesn’t love them.
但是屠宰和食用其他动物是可以的，因为总统不喜欢它们。
Tmazesx
TIL (actually a few months ago) that an estimated 3% of Swiss eat cats and dogs, especially during Christmas
But we hardly hear about this. I wonder why.
据估计，有3%的瑞士人吃猫和狗，尤其是在圣诞节期间
但我们几乎没有听说过。我想知道为什么。
Queendrakumar
They are not Asians and don’t fit the narrative
他们不是亚洲人，也不符合故事情节
howareyouall
You’re a disgusting dog meat eater. Go to hell
你是个恶心的吃狗肉的人。见鬼去吧
galvanickorea
I dont even know why theres a debate on this, I dont eat dogs and never will but how different is it from eating cows or chicken or fish lol?? Only reason its looked down on is because societally dogs have been considered as something more than just a wild animal so it might look like we’re eating our pets we grew up with.. other than purely sentimental/emotional outbursts i see no reason for this to even be an issue. By the same logic cows are sacred in India so there should be outrage over that lol
我甚至不知道为什么要争论这个问题，我不吃狗肉，也永远不会吃，但它和吃牛、鸡或鱼有什么区别?吃狗被看不起的唯一原因是因为狗在社会上被认为不仅仅是一种野生动物，所以看起来我们好像在吃和我们一起长大的宠物。除了纯粹的情感/情绪爆发，我认为这没有任何理由成为一个问题。按照同样的逻辑，牛在印度是神圣的，所以在印度吃牛肉 印度人也对此感到愤怒，哈哈
